For example, Gi. Based on whats happening in Israel, it looks like Jesus could be returning soon. What is undisputed is that Gamaliel was "held in . For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do- this I keep on doing. [Romans 7:15-19] (Response- One more time! Or you are playing fast and loose with the word talmud. Paul has already been briefly mentioned in Acts in Chapters 7 and 8, in connection with the stoning of Stephen. Paul was a Diaspora Jew who claimed to have been raised in a family which kept the Jewish traditions without fault. In 2019 he published a commentary. Acts presents the evangelizing apostle and church leader Barnabas as a model of integrity and character. Forgive me, but it easier to cite the following from the Wikipedia. I dont want to bite the hand that feeds me (and my family). Things which are unclear, those must remain that way until the Holy Spirit reveal them to each and everyone of us according to the level of grace , and most importantly, for a particular purpose, We born again believers do not read to know like them, but we read to live. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. It makes a big difference to the owner, the worker objected. Saul (Paul) Persecutes the Church [edit | edit source] In Chapter 9 of Acts, we come into close contact with Saul, later known as Paul, for the first time. I really will Stand up, stand up for Jesus, and wave his banner high- just not right now in 1973. To which Paul replied, youre fired. Paul then took his team of painters, and started painting the garage and the house. And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred on one on me, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. [Luke 22:28-30]. Several people objected that it does not really matter who Pauls human teachers were, after his conversion experience he was taught by the Holy Spirit. Have you even stepped inside shul? Tha A in TanAch. Since the entire ministry framework both Yeshua and Paul are 100% Jewish, meaning adherence oral and written law, you are to view it from that lense. It ignores the previous verse, 2 Timothy 3:15, which clearly indicates that Paul was NOT referring to his own letters when he wrote the words All Scripture.. When and where did they first meet. For example, I talk a bit about this issue in these posts: https://readingacts.com/2013/08/29/the-new-perspective-on-paul-did-paul-convert-to-christianity/, https://readingacts.com/2013/09/08/paul-and-judaism/, https://readingacts.com/2017/09/04/was-paul-a-pharisee/. Your name never appears in the Bible after your appointment as the 12th Apostle in Acts 1. I have become all things to all people, that by all means I might save some (1 Corinthians 9:22 ESV).. 4:2 Gamaliel forbade husbands from divorcing their wives without their knowledge. So Ill smoke with them, but I wont let the weed alter my own mind, because I didnt inhale! In order to be accepted in the Establishment church fellowship, you have to smoke the weed of Paul Worship- just be true to yourself and dont inhale., Maybe I could speak in code, like they did in the New Testament church with the fish symbol. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. Gamaliel, as it appears, did most toward establish-. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. The man throws his huge sombrero hat on the floor, and the couple dances around it, but never steps on the hat. N. T. Wright describes the Shammaite Pharisee as a militant hard-liner that was not willing to work with Rome as long as they could study the Torah, as Hillel had said (What Saint Paul Really Said, 26). In practical terms, regarding texts of the Bible, that means that the most important words are the words of Jesus recorded by The Apostles Matthew and John (closely followed by Mark) in my view. This is certainly not the opinion of his young disciple Saul when we meet him in Acts 9 and according to Pauls own self-description. Jesus didnt make PART of this one verse out of context into The Golden Rule or one rule. Jesus did not use the term Golden Rule, its simply a tradition of men. Since November 2021, Reading Acts is edited by Sarah Westphal. Its all a part of Gods perfect timing and plan. Jesus said its TWO commandments, with the greatest, most important, first command to .1) first, love God with everything youve got, and .2) second, love people. This is a good point, although I am not sure that the tradition is totally reliable. Lets not waste our time with endless debates about what Paul really meant with his wacky teachings about baptizing the dead or there is neither male nor female. Paul was wrong. Er was the first person God killed for being wicked ( Gen 38:7 ). b) Greg Laurie, the Boss of a wide-ranging personal cult empire that generally goes by the name of Harvest. Greg lives in Newport Beach, commutes by helicopter, and exploits the very large church he founded in Riverside from a distance, while he does his own thing in Orange County and travels around wherever he feels like, building a personal business empire with himself as the center, not Jesus. This Evangelical Mantra has been accepted by the collective subconscious mind of The Evangelical Church without thought, question, reflection, or even 2 witnesses from the Scripture itself. I do not think, however, that Paul was a Christian Pharisee. To know the truth is a blessing from Allah, if I had to guess you just have not been taught what Islam teaches, and we honor all Prophets (pbut) revere the 12 Apostles and have never acknowledged that Paul was one of Jesus (p) Apostles, but have always known he was responsible for the corruption of the Truth about God and the Messiah (p). Now Ive got 3 slots open. So when Paul wrote his two letters to the Church in Corinth, who was overseeing all aspects of the church? There are some points I agree and disagree with. God led Paul to write what what was necessary to be included in scripture, but at the same time God does not use men as mindless puppets, but he uses our personalities, ideas, and who we are to accomplish what he wants. He was absolutely brilliant. Dr. Sounds almost like he was in the personal transportation industry back in sword and sandal epic days Peter Charioteer? Maybe not. Because we must establish a matter by the testimony of two or three witnesses, especially something as important as What is the Word of God. No one else in the pages of the Bible besides Paul ever said anything like All Scripture is God-breathed. Yes you clearly are removing them from Jewish culture and using Constantine-Christianity and replacement theology to float most of your website. The blog started as a supplement to teaching through Acts at my church, then later college classes. While it is true that Paul did persecute early Christians, it was for his love of the Torah and not because he was rebelling against Roman oppression. Maase Hatorah -works of the law 2. There is so much theological supposing these days! (Two other saint also removed at that timer were St. Philomena and St. Christopher. Acts 6:9 But resistance arose from what was called the Synagogue of the Freedmen, including Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and men from the provinces of Cilicia and Asia. How did Gamaliel impact Paul? Pauls speech and thought directly lines up with the teachings of Hillel.. Sticking with Acts, Gamaliel counsels caution in Acts 5, Rabbi Saul seems to abandon caution by Acts 7. This included sacrifices and multiple gods before and after the games. He was brilliant and a top-educated person of his day. Philo of Alexandria can be thought of as more moderate to liberal on the Law, his brother completely rejected his Jewish heritage (providing the most extreme position possible). He wrote the book on NT theology, and developed a missionary strategy that evangelized the western Roman empireso maybe three or four degrees at least. I am not sure you can compare Pauls education to a modern one. Basically, he said that if the movement is from God then it cannot be stopped, if it is not then it will not succeed. 1:1, / 1 Cor. I got my Masters Degree at Dallas Theological Seminary. He tells his readers that he is "a Hebrew of Hebrews.". As a novice here, I have a question: Why was Gamaliel not as tolerant with Jesus as he was with Paul? I find this convincing since Paul seems, at least in part, to return to Gamaliels tutelage after his conversion. Jesus spoke the 3 chapters of the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5-7, including 7:12. Clearly youve never taken hebrew or greek in your life. Gamaliel became a leading authority in the Sanhedrin, the highest Jewish court in Jerusalem. You are so far from understanding anything I have ever said it is humorous, actual insulting. If we need a man or a group of men to interpret the Word for us, that would make it a revelation that needs to be revealed. Stop pitying yourself, you are not being persecuted. To date, there is either historical nor tradional evidence to support Sauls presence. mercer county, pa public records; facts about the roman . Furthermore, youre also essentially calling Paul a liar. Gamaliel II, also called Gamaliel Of Jabneh, (flourished 2nd century ad), nasi (president) of the Sanhedrin, at that time the supreme Jewish legislative body, in Jabneh, whose greatest achievement was the unification of the important Jewish laws and rituals in a time of external oppression by Rome and internecine . On page 38 Polhil writes, Paul certainly showed more the attitude of the zealots than of Gamaliel. Polhil also mentions in Phillipians 3:5-6, Paul refers to his persecuting in close connection with his zeal for the law. Polhil then mentions that a modern Zionist would have a yearning for the independence of the nation and the restoration of the glory of the temple by the Messiah. After reading our sections it seems to me that although Paul studied under Gamaliel, his actions resembled more closely to the Shammaite party. I interpret 6 months of silence to mean: even if no one here has the courage to agree with me publicly, no one in the world can open a Bible and prove me wrong from the Bible text on these specific points Ive raised here. therefore I urge you to imitate me, and I have become all things to all men. Paul thinks hes Boss, and doesnt need to listen to your instructions that I gave him.. We therefore need to be careful what we say to the young and fragile new born souls. Every Book of it, every Chapter of it, every Verse of it, every word of it, every syllable of it.. every letter of it, is the direct utterance of the Most High!, Not all the Christians think this way about the Bible however., It depends greatly on which Jesus, and what you mean by believe. The underlying basis is, what is the supreme written Word of God, above all others?, I believe in the Jesus of the Gospels (Matthew Mark Luke & John in the Christian Bible.). Somebody did the calculations of Paul's education, and said he basically had the equivalent of two Ph.D.'s by the time he was 21 years of age. Log in. God made us and loves us and He does reveal His will in language we can gladly receive, comprehend and obey. Something Paul preaches repeatedly. I will leave that to the Ruah, my rabbi and the Yeshiva (that ive been attending for years) I attend. I justify everything I do If I testify about myself it MUST be true Im the only man in all history whose testimony doesnt need two or three. Both Yeshua and Pauls ministries are simply another sect of Judaism. [erase erase erase]. Jesus is always right. Is Paul a Christian Pharisee who believes in Jesus? . Why never quesiton his testimony about himself that he never intentionally disobeyed God, is the sinless ever-virgin, and said; I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some? You cite NT Wright as describing the Shammaite Pharisee as a militant hard-liner that was not willing to work with Rome as long as they could study the Torah. I do not, however, see this as the case in the rest of the book of Acts, where Paul works the Roman system in his favor. Evidence for this more accommodating opinion is found in the book of Acts. But we dont need to put words in the mouth of Jesus, we can let Jesus speak for himself, and we can listen to Him and obey Him. Human teachers and influences, for some at least, did not matter. You will seek Him and find Him when you seek Him with all your heart.. To my Bible-believing Evangelical friends: If you have been reading some of my posts and you feel a spirit rising up inside you telling you: Hes wrong !!! Hello A. Gazali, It seems you have a hunger for the truth. As much as I appreciate you keeping an almost 4 year old thread alive, you just do not contribute much to the conversation. .1) Gospel of Mark time lag between being appointed and being sent Jesus went up on a mountainside and called to him those he wanted, and they came to him. Paul may very well have studied under Gamaliel and from there established the groundwork from which to build a new movement. Religious Jews, who were living under the Law, were asking Jesus (at that time a teacher of the Law) concerning The Law. We need to carry this out, with our own God-given abilities and talents, using the skills, and circumstances we have. imitate me.. When cult members repeat their mantra, it makes them deaf to the voice of God, unable to hear God. Paul said no, it ONE commandment- to love people. The job is to paint the garage and house what difference does it make which one is first? teresa marina tabucchi; antonia reininghaus daughter; mountain view ar tornado 1996; safari photography settings; catfish bite force; professional executor services I tried to look for the beginning (Acts 1), because a friend Im discipling has asked to go through Acts with me, and this looks like good supplement material. Only after the house is finished and the paint is dry can we go and paint the garage.. He also intimately knew Gamaliel was was there, at least at The time of Pentecost. Third, as John Polhill observes, several rulings from Gamaliel appear in the Mishnah, the Jewish commentary on the Law. Created by. Which one is it? Paul claims to have been educated by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. This has literally been the Orthodox position for almost 2000 years. As Gamaliels Christianity is attested in the Clementine Literature, one may, with care, posit an early date for the tradition. Gamaliel may or may not have taken over the position when Simon died. Why is this a strange idea? Yet Mohammed (saw) reiterated the message as Gods Messenger and like the Pharisees rejected him because their forefathers corrupted the original message. No one except Judas ever lost his apostleship. Granted Shammaite pharisees love their Torah to that extent as well, but it is not a distinctly Shammaite practice. Dear Wilson, Yes there are ! In Acts 14:23, we read: Paul and Barnabas appointed elders for them in each church. Which is the most important? According to tradition, Gamaliel and Nicodemus buried Saint Stephen outside of Jerusalem. While he agrees with Gamaliel, Paul wants to protect that which he loves. To what extent should we use Pauls training at the feet of Gamaliel as background to understanding his later theology? The only think I have examined from him (Yeshua: A Guide to the Real Jesus and the Original Church) is occasionally accurate, but often wildly wrong. I will call him a liar . Moseley is not wrong: the earliest Christ followers were Jewish and no one tried to convert to Christianity, but that is because there was no Christianity to convert to at that point. You should have hired a PR firm to promote your name and make if famous. How likely is it that the acknowledged leaders of the church today could come to such unanimous theological agreement? The Lord Jesus clinches this point: if ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free (John 8:31-32). This is your only warning before being banned for incivility. As sort of my own counter point against my first paragraph, It is not surprising then that Paul acts out the way he does. What was his last name? As for burying Stephen, even if Gamaliel was not a Christian he would have been motivated to care for the dead, as demonstrated in Tobit. This article is the result of when you remove the culture/context of the scriptures, the Hebraics of the Brist Chadasha (Renewed Testament) and injecting the christian outlook that Shaul (Paul) divorced his Jewish roots. This applies to the Pharisee sect. He comes back to nonviolence and tolerance in his ministry (how he handles the riots and the scourgings). I was attracted to the school because they put Pauls mantra of All Scripture is God-breathed above everything else, and I wanted to heed Pauls command and Preach the Word like Paul. Maybe, from what I have seen of him he does not go to great lengths on anything. The Book of Revelation written by the Apostle John, chapter 21 verse 14 says The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostle of the Lamb. 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